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I was on my way to meet Ben Affleck to talk about his new movie, Deep Water, when news broke that he and his co-star Ana de Armas broke up in real life. I was obviously devastated but got over it quickly because it has nothing to do with me. Here’s the conversation we had after he arrived, 12 minutes late. 

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Bea: Thanks for doing this with me, Ben.

Affleck: My pleasure.

Bea: I don’t care what my friends and family say, I do think you’re an amazing actor.

Affleck: Thanks… I suppose.

Bea: I mean it. It doesn’t bother me that you’ve done a few bad movies… and some really terrible ones… no actor has a perfect record, right? 

Affleck: [silence]

Bea: Except maybe Leonardo DiCaprio… and Tom Hanks… oh, and Brad Pitt. And Joaquin Phoenix. And Denzel Washington. 

Affleck: I… I get the point.

Bea: Yes but I’m not done yet…. Kate Winslet…. Emma Thompson…. Of course Meryl Streep.

Affleck: [silence]

Bea: Anyway, how are you? I was disappointed to hear that you and Ana de Armas broke up. I was rooting for you two…

Affleck: Thanks…

Bea: What happened? Was it the walks? Did she get tired of taking walk after walk around the block with you?

Affleck: No…

Bea: Are you sure?

Affleck: Yes… There’s not a lot to do during a global pandemic.

Bea: You guys had a good run, though. What was it, almost a year? How long did you live together?

Affleck: A month.

Bea: It’s the end of an era. 

Affleck: Yeah, I wouldn’t say that…

Bea: Just remember, there’s no shame in walking alone…. Literally and figuratively.

Affleck: [silence]

Bea: So how did it happen? Did she break up with you or did she agree to say it was ‘mutual’?

Affleck: We’re just in different points in our lives right now… 

Bea: Of course. Is that what she told you?

Affleck: [silence]

Bea: The good thing is that now you concentrate on your career. Start making good movies, you know?

Affleck: Why don’t we move on…?

Bea: Sure. So…. what is Jennifer Garner like in real life? I can’t believe you were married to her, she’s amazing.

Affleck: Can you just please focus on asking me questions about the movie I’m here to promote? 

Bea: Of course. Deep Water, right? 

Affleck: Yes. 

Bea: How was it filming those steamy scenes with Ana de Armas? Is it going to be painful to watch it now that you’re not together anymore?

Affleck: Oh, for god’s sake. 

Bea: I’ll take that’s a yes.

Affleck: [silence]

Bea: Well, thanks for doing this with me, Ben. As I said at the beginning, I’m a big fan of yours. 

Affleck: Right.

Bea: Take care! 

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